Curse

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 31, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

To be perfectly honest... Not quite as good as planting a Meteor Shower on his face.

Don't they always run around like chickens with there heads cut-off?

Coloneh · Aug 31, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

that would stop him from healing wouldnt it? thats the point of shutting him down isnt it?

wilderness · Aug 31, 2007, 08:18 AM // 08:18

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310

Don't they always run around like chickens with there heads cut-off?

Meteor shower = knockdown every 3 second. Times this by Savanah Heat = goodbye scatter, hello bbq

Shuuda · Aug 31, 2007, 08:21 AM // 08:21

Stronger mobs that need shutdown and Signet of Illusion with PvE skills = nuff said.

ryanryanryan0310 · Aug 31, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by wilderness

Meteor shower = knockdown every 3 second. Times this by Savanah Heat = goodbye scatter, hello bbq

Hey I'm not doubting meteor shower. But 1 meteor shower and you done for awhile and if you miss then...........

Making her a mesmer gives her more versatile.

CHunterX · Aug 31, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

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Originally Posted by tmakinen

Well, if you feel that your heroes are not picking the optimal target, there's this little cross-hair thingy in their skill bar that you can use to gently nudge them to the right direction ... it's usually easiest to do that before the brawl begins, just tab through the mob to see what's in there then assign each hero a priority target.

A very simple setup is to have one warrior hate necro and one caster hate mesmer hero, and lock a target when something has to be subdued while the rest of the party does something else. This is not necessary in most situations but extremely valuable in others. I recently H+H'd Abaddon's Mouth HM (with bonus, of course) with a curses MoW and mixed dom/illusion Norgu and the pairs of bosses didn't pose any challenge at all, being well and thoroughly emasculated by the heroes.

If you don't have enough mesmer skills unlocked (or enough experience to come up with a decent build - mesmer is the most specific of all professions and optimally you should cook up a different build for each situation) then mesmer heroes are indeed pretty weak, and a BHA ranger may be a better choice.

Now that Gwen is a mesmer she'll certainly get a party invitation from time to time, much more often than if she were an ele (ele heroes are pretty sucky and unable to handle tasks more challenging than mindless SF spam) or a monk (for most part hero monks are redundant - especially in GW:EN hench monks are completely adequate).

Like I said, unless you force the Mes Hero to shut down a separate target that you don't plan on killing soon (meaning, its pointless to have them shutdown the monk mob, you should have killed that first) they are gonna stand their twiddling their thumbs, casting a spell here and there. Honestly, I don't think I can cycle through and pick targets for two heroes to shutdown every 10 seconds and continue play my class efficiently.

And for the record, I'm not bashing on actual Mesmer players. Mesmer is a good class for both PvE and PvP, its just hero Mesmers are not helping the image of actual player Mesmers.
I would rather have had such an influential character such as Gwen, who is obviously going to be used a lot (with poorly chosen skillsets, of course) in PUGs, due to the fact its friggin Gwen, not be a Mesmer and cast more bad light on the real Mesmers out there.

Etta · Aug 31, 2007, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Bah! I don't know what the big deal is? Most people would just make her a fast cast nuker anyway, because they have no idea how to play a mesmer.

upier · Aug 31, 2007, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Mesmer =
1. a primary with no inherent e-gain (Power Drain being used as e-management anyone?)
2. nice skills that require the idea of what one did 5 secs ago and the knowledge of the enemies skills to be played optimally (Diversion or Power Block anyone?)

Heroes can't deal with that.
Mesmer heroes - unless we are using them for their godly reflexes (or they are playing FC ele. Or FC something else.) - are a waste of a party slot.
Grab a necro - throw some interrupts on him and you have the best mesmer hero.

And this has nothing to do with human players.

BUT nonetheless - Norgu is a god!
Too bad that I can only have 3 heroes and so I need to waste my party slots on hench when I could have at least had a fun character in the huge shape of Norgu with me!

tmakinen · Aug 31, 2007, 08:46 AM // 08:46

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

I would rather have had such an influential character such as Gwen, who is obviously going to be used a lot (with poorly chosen skillsets, of course) in PUGs, due to the fact its friggin Gwen, not be a Mesmer and cast more bad light on the real Mesmers out there.

Well, I understand your concern, and from that perspective ANet could indeed have made Gwen a monk with a suitably premade skill bar and custom tailored AI to heal the 'owner' at the expense of everybody else

(hey, I've heard random warriors say that they must have their own monk hero with them because hero monks only heal their master).

On the other hand, any amount of awesomeness wouldn't change the minds of those who 'know' that you absolutely must have 4 SF eles in every party for a chance of success, so I largely see it as a lost cause, and feel happy to be able to field two mesmers for the occasional task that benefits from that.

Edit: to Upier: indeed, in most cases a N/Me is by far a more versatile support hero to bring than a primary Me. There are usually two necro heroes in my H+H party, just because of the great utility value.

wilderness · Aug 31, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310

Hey I'm not doubting meteor shower. But 1 meteor shower and you done for awhile and if you miss then...........

Making her a mesmer gives her more versatile.

Heh, that was just a reply to the headless chickens comment.

If you go back along the thread you'll see I'm strongly in favor of Me over standard E parties. No need to convince me how great Mesmers are

Patrick Smit · Aug 31, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Like I said, unless you force the Mes Hero to shut down a separate target that you don't plan on killing soon (meaning, its pointless to have them shutdown the monk mob, you should have killed that first) they are gonna stand their twiddling their thumbs, casting a spell here and there. Honestly, I don't think I can cycle through and pick targets for two heroes to shutdown every 10 seconds and continue play my class efficiently...

I tend to disagree with this tactic, I often put an interupter on a monk and start harassing strong offensive squishies. The monk is nullified, but offense is shutdown/killed too.

Etta · Aug 31, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

Hehe 4 SF ele will work just fine untill the destroyers turn up, after that hilarity ensure.

Oh wait! I wont be able to use ToF as well then!

t_the_nihilst · Aug 31, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

Boo/hiss. No more mes bashing. I love my Gwen. Not my problem if you don't know how godly mesmers are in PvE as well as PvP.

PS. Shouldn't this be in the EotN section?

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 31, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

I'm Angry that they made Gwen a Mesmer! I'll very, very rarely use her with my primary character - a Mesmer. On the other hand, my other characters will put her to good use and let Norgu get back to his acting career.

I'm not even going to comment on the Mesmer's usefulness in PvE. It's been discussed before and the anti-PvE mesmer crowd is just too thick to get it.

Aera · Aug 31, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

gogo inteptitude/clumsiness

or

backfire/mistrust

etc.

mesmers are quite useful like that in PvE

Malice Black · Aug 31, 2007, 10:12 AM // 10:12

I wasn't a big fan of Mesmers at the start, but I have since seen the error of my ways.

My whole hero team is based on interrupting and crippling the mobs. The hench go in after to clear up the mess.